Apple vs. the Trump Administration, CEO compensation broke records during COVID, and Friend of Pivot Caleb Scharf on space exploration 8:18

Kara and Scott discuss how Apple unknowingly handed over phone data of two Democratic congressmen to the Trump Administration. Then, they discuss how the pay gap between workers and CEOs grew even wider during the pandemic. In Friend of Pivot, Caleb Scharf, the Director of Astrobiology at Columbia University and author of The Ascent of Information: Books, Bits, Genes, Machines, and Life's Unending Algorithm, tells us why we should care about UFO sightings, the future of space travel, and whether it's really worth it to visit Mars — regardless of what Elon Musk says.

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